Rank the Celestions | Harmony Central
Says he plays metal and wants something more for that. all i have personal experience with is celestion greenbacks but this info might save. Celestion is a British maker of loudspeakers. Contents. 1 History; 2 Products; 3 References; 4 External links. History. Celestion G12 / Vintage 30 speaker. Celestion Greenbacks, new vs old ones. Stick for Join date: Jul i play metal and only metal, like Slayer and stuff like that. and those.
So, here is the topic I wanted to talk about. The Pulsonic cones have the reputation of being the sweetest of them. If we think about the Classic Rock history, we can notice that the time when it truly exploded was exactly during the late 60s and early 70s, with bands like Cream, Led Zeppelin, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Free, Deep Purple and others: They simply used it because it was what was available to them. And it sounded good. And still, the tone they got with them is out of this world.
They made their Celestions sound good by themselves. If all these guys had come around during the RIC years, I bet that they would have been the most desired ones instead.
And here is a nice post comparing a Pulsonic to a RIC to prove my point. Clips with a Gibson at the bottom of the page, by the way Listen to these clips carefully and open-mindedly. Well… I was actually browsing around while listening to them and I thought: A G12M on steroids!
The result was the G The speaker was very similar to the old G12M still with a 35oz magnet and with the efficiency of 97db, but because of the larger dust cap that was used, it had a deeper bottom end, slightly scooped, but still very strong mids and more restrained highs. This is also partially caused by the higher power handling itself. Front of a G The bass version was used in the A and B cabs of the same period. Maybe this information is not exact, but what can we interpret from it?
It basically means that the speaker changed a lot during the time it was produced.
Celestion G12M Greenback - 12 inch 25W Guitar Speaker
Even so, I doubt that these differences were that huge and I bet they were so subtle it would be impossible to hear by most of us Break for a little tone talk And this also raises a question: Is it the sound we hear on records? Add to that the fact that production back then was pretty much inconsistent. A speaker could turn out to be magical or pure crap being produced in the same day.
This is why making comparisons is a wild goose chase. It can be too much to expect that a reproduction made today will sound exactly like the speakers of those distant years when even back then they varied from one to another. Heck, I even do them myself very often. At least I think so.
Yes, experimenting different stuff is great and this is why tone-hunting can be so fun.
Speakers: G12T75 vs. V30 VS. Greenbacks???
Just look for what sounds good to you. After all, nothing remains the same forever, so why should tone be like that? But if anyone wants to, I will not stop you! You will have more of this a bit later when I start talking about Reissues and Boutique replicas.
Blasting the 80s part 2: G, Vintage 30, G12T and a few others Now, here is when things start to get tricky for me. The bass version was found on the Marshall A and B cabs from around onwards. Not very sure about the lead version though.
Information about these old Marshall cabs is rather scarce. Probably they work better with ish high gain tones. Names here start to get messy too. I wonder why the magnet sizes were omitted in the G and G their names should be G12M and G12H, at least in theory.
Anyway, it seems that the G also evolved into the Classic Lead 80 still in production to this day and the G12M became the Modern Lead 70 discontinued, it seems. Curiously enough, this speaker is in production until today and is found almost everywhere, also being used in the current Marshall A and B cabs.
- Wrong Chassis & Solder Terminals
- Fake Ink Stamps
- G12M Greenback
Handling 75w, this speaker is heavily mid-scooped, with a very strong low end and shrill highs. Like most of the medium magnet Celestions, it has an efficiency of 97db. The G12T is the complete opposite of a G12M. Present day G12Ts inside a Marshall B cab: One thing that is worth mentioning is that the G12T also changed a lot over the years — early versions had a vent on the magnet, as did the G one of the things that the CL80 is missing as well — and so, there are reports that these first versions had a better tone smoother high end than the ones made today.
Greenbacks for metal, thoughts? | bikei.info
So… what are you, anyway? Since it used the same heavy 50 oz magnet as the extinct G12H 30w, it was marketed with such a strange name, even though it was not even rated at 30w. It is actually a 60w speaker, with efficiency of db and is offered in both 8ohms and 16ohms. Black Ink vs Grey Ink — Celestion only started using black ink on the frames from about mid 69 onwards, before this it was a pale grey. Fake date codes are usually in black ink.
Circular stamp — The circular quality control stamp will always be present on a genuine speaker. Some fake speaker date codes include the inspection letter way too early, such as with a or date code. Pretty wierd looking, and I would love to add the photo here but the owner would not give me his consent to use it. On greenback speakers I have not seen it any earlier than July 69 GB date code. Marshall have never used the T to my knowledge.
The genuine ones can sometimes go a bit yellow and transparent over the years. The 15 Ohm pre-rola labels were standard from onwards and were phased out from Aug onwards. These are the 20 watt G12M and 25w G12H labels: Genuine 15 Ohm label The 16 Ohm pre-rola labels first appear in Aug and were phased out from April onwards.
These are the 25w G12M and 30w G12H labels: Genuine 16 Ohm label Fake labels will often have the wrong impedance on them: There are also some very obvious repro labels around with a wierd looking sloping font. Heritage series label vs Reproduction label Fake Cone Stamps Watch out for any peculiar looking cone stamps.
Often accompanied by a white smudge — probably an attempt at removing the original cone stamp.
Genuine Pulsonic cone stamp Original cone stamp rubbed away Dont Get Stung So, hopefully you have picked up a few pointers here.